eppylover ([info]eppylover) wrote,
@ 2004-09-27 08:44:00
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A Sceneful Of Disrespect

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Click the link: Village Voice July 2003 --
If this link does not work, try this one -- Web Archive Village Voice July 2003 --

Read the 2nd paragraph, and be prepared for a bit of smut. I don't even want to copy/paste it here in my LiveJournal.

Your opinions please: Maybe I'm just reacting to Todd Graff's statement out of an initial shock. Maybe Mr. Graff was misquoted, or his statement was embellished by Mr. Musto. Maybe he was mistaken about Jude Law being so enthusiastic about beginning the movie this way.

According to Musto's article, Graff stated that this will be the first scene of the film, the opening scene. Not what I would call setting up the audience to have a real high opinion of the person who was Brian Epstein. After a blow like that right off the bat, with no sympathy built up first, it would be a major struggle to overcome the disgust a lot of people are going to feel about Brian. I was hoping that this film would NOT be made for those of us who are already familiar with Mr Epstein, love him or even think he's hot ... but for everybody to get to know him as the awesome person he was, flaws and all. To do this you've got to achieve a balance between attraction and aversion, between esteem and shame ... and foster affection for who he was at heart. To empathize. However, as we know, sensationalism is more important to the movie industry. If they're not going to use Beatles, then semen will sell it.

All That Jazz was great, but this scene goes beyond flash and avant-garde, IMO. Wouldn't you want to try and get the public connected to the character of Eppy first, have them identify with him somehow, to understand, and then present the described scene? Is there another way other than f*ing to have an opening scene that would grab an audience?

Sure, it could make a lot of money. Like some other Jude Law movies. And be a trashy flick. Just what Eppy would have wanted. Oh yes. Humiliate him, f* his memory and rake in the dough.

Another of my concerns is, if the film actually sinks to a vulgar tabloid level, wouldn't this cause pain to the Epstein family? Or doesn't anybody care about peoples' feelings in the 21st century? Just put yourself in Henry Epstein's shoes, or suppose you were Brian himself. Are you sure he would have appreciated being labeled (to quote Michael Musto's article) as only "the Fab Four's bizarre gay manager?" How would you feel? Is Cilla, so enamored of Jude Law, aware the movie could go in this direction? At least The Hours and Times treated his sex life respectfully, maybe even too daintily for this day and age, but it left him looking dignified. (EDIT: I do have very serious issues with the Brian character in The Hours and Times, though.)

Imagine all the people just learning about him for the first time: that's who we're trying to reach.

I'm sorry if I seem old-fashioned.

I'm aware such erotic scenarios (and others much more intense and even violent) happened, and these scenes most likely could be shown somewhere in the middle of the movie after the audience has gotten to know him, fine.  However, I have adored this man for 40 years now and it feels like someone just threw shit in my face.

Instead of persuading the General Public that this was a great man who deserves a better reputation and some much overdue love, opening the film this way would seem to encourage more ridicule from the sector we want to win over.
Part of being a true admirer of Brian Epstein is showing that, despite it all, he did have real class. It's not about getting our rocks off. Save that for your own fantasies ... don't try to shove it down the public's throat ... because they'll just spew it back at you.


BTW, does anyone out there know for sure if Todd Graff was replaced in this project, or is he still working with Jude Law?


It's early morning. I'm going to let this thing roll around in my head and then sleep on it tonight. That will often turn my opinions around and clarify things. But right now, my heart hurts.



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[info]vandonovan
2004-09-27 01:51 pm UTC (link)
Before I found out that the movie had a script already and everything, I started writing my own script. I didn't get very far but my opening scene was Brian on top of the world, at Shea Stadium, watching the Beatles perform and taking in the huge audience. After that I flashed back to his life as a kid, getting jostled to a new school . . . show how he went from one extreme to the other. I thought it was brilliant.

I also named my script "Revolution" because that's what Brian started. I hope that that opening scene isn't accurate . . . but if it is I hope it's so brief that the audience forgets about it once the movie starts, or that it may be the first scene they shoot but it won't be the first one in order for the film.

The movie under that title isn't up in any form on www.imdb.com so I'm not too worried yet . . .

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[info]eppylover
2004-09-27 05:22 pm UTC (link)
Thanks, Van. I'm still keeping my fingers crossed that Jude feels as "reverent" about Brian as Cilla claims he was!
Steph and I just finished watching 2 eps of "Will & Grace" so my mood has lifted quite a bit since this a.m. ... but our stomachs and faces hurt now! :)
We've just gotta be careful her dad the christian homophobe doesn't walk in while we're watching. :( Right now he's out practicing/testing his hunting bow so he can go kill animals this fall. >:( Talk about a real redneck, jeez! Boy has he changed since I married him. Sigh.
Steph is nagging to get the puter back, so ... have a happy.

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[info]getwicked
2004-09-27 07:51 pm UTC (link)
How... Distasteful. You're absolutely right. They SHOULDN'T begin the movie that way. They could perhaps throw their beginning bit into the middle somewhere, expand on Brian's character and his life pre-Beatlemania before it. Egh.

Plus, who really knows if John and Epstein were ever intimate? It's never been exactly validated. This is just going to bring up that whole rumour again; Was John bisexual? Was he gay? Like you said, it's a tabloid nightmare.

And the entire portrayal is in someway disrespectful to both men; nevermind if anything of the sort ever happened. If it did, I wouldn't imagine John being paid by Brian for the act.

:/

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[info]eppylover
2004-09-28 08:51 am UTC (link)
Thank you for your comment, getwicked! IMO, The very best dissertation on the Brian/John thing was written by Saki. It's a very long text, but well worth reading carefully and in its entirety. I'd post it in my journal, but it's so freaking looong.

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=1991Jul23.172330.18143%40mic.ucla.edu&output=gplain

BTW, in that humiliating scene, the reason the guy was being paid was that he wasn't John Lennon, he was just a hustler doing a Lennon imitation to satisfy Brian's fantasy. ;)

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[info]layla1188
2004-09-28 01:48 am UTC (link)
I'm ambivalent about it. I can kind of understand both the need to shock and the need to present Brian as a dignified, elegant man (I don't know if that sounds right, but it's the first thing I'm coming up with). Of course, I'm a pervert who likes the idea of the whole John/Brian thing, regardless of whether it happened or not, so my opinion is probably not going to be very reflective of Beatles fans or the public at large.

I remember there was a John Lennon bio-TV movie called "In His Life" in 2000 that touched on the subjects of Brian's love for John and the (in)famous trip to Spain. It actually kind of surprised me that that stuff would get on the air on NBC! Perhaps the general public would be more accepting than one would think, especially if Brian is made into a sympathetic character. I don't really know.

Just rambling here...

I guess I'm withholding judgement until I get a better idea of what is being planned for the biopic. I just don't have enough information to know what to think about it.

(Incidentally, I really think you should post this series on the Jude Law Brian biopic on [info]mrbrianepstein; it would at least get a little more traffic on that sadly neglected community! And I'm sure that they'd like to read it too.)

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[info]eppylover
2004-09-28 09:32 am UTC (link)
Thanks Layla! Like I said before, my main drive is to get Brian honored and respected by everybody possible. (There's no hope for certain people such as homophobes, anti-Semites or individuals who just never liked the Beatles or Brits, but oh well!) My dream is to have him as well-known in the mainstream and loved every bit as much as his boys were. If that were accomplished, I'd have no problem with the perverted fun as a culty offshoot. After all, we've now got slash fic. You cannot imagine what would have happened in the 60's, 70's or even the 80's with lawsuits and such if anyone had attempted slash! Omigawd. That's how far the internet and our freedoms have taken us! But I'd certainly feel like a selfish pig to want this big name biopic to be made according to what I personally would like to indulge in watching.

Even if they downplayed the "perversion," the film won't be boring, believe me. It won't be like the documentaries, which are dull if you aren't interested in the person. But we don't need to have them humiliate Brian, either. Lord knows he took enough of that in life. He was exciting enough in his day-to-day life -- they just haven't looked at him close enough in the right places yet.

I've seen, through the eyes of Mr. & Mrs. Everyday Citizens, the Brian Epstein image the world sees, and sometimes it's hard not to feel bitter and hopeless. What they see in the present time is not the regular bloke we knew and loved. Who among us is not a totally different person in our most personal private lives? And how many of us are known ONLY by this private life, as Brian now seems to be?

Damn it, he was a charming guy with a sense of humor. That's what they should show more. Why don't they?

BTW, since I'm new to posting on LJ, I wasn't sure if I was being a nuisance with my longwinded dissertations. I admit to being pretty ignorant re blogging or journal etiquette. However, you're right, our mrbrianepstein community (Van's actually, but I like to think of it as ours) needs more stuff on it; should I actually copy/paste all my past Jude/Brian posts over there ... and is copying and pasting the easiest way to do it? If I end up monopolizing or clogging up the community site, Van would have every right to edit out anything he wants.

I would take more time to study LJ and make it sit up and do tricks, but my husband is already threatening to cancel our internet account because I'm not bringing in as much money as I used to ... so I try not to be sitting here when he gets home. Kicking me offline would really f* up my eBay sales. That man hates our computer, it has "ruined our lives." Actually, it has opened up my life and now my life doesn't revolved solely around him, house and job. He wants me back working in an office. If that has to happen now, well, I'd rather go visit Brian. :)

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[info]vandonovan
2004-10-01 09:28 pm UTC (link)
Christine, I really don't mind you posting stuff at all on this community -- lord knows it NEEDS it. For lengthy stuff you can always "lj-cut" it (which I can tell you how to do if you'd like) but really, people can just scroll past if they don't want to read it.

Also, in regards to your internet usage and your husbands dislike -- you could always get one of those office jobs that let you surf the net in the mean time, you know? It's not like you're looking up porn! :D (well, maybe you're mentally envisioning it but still!) Then you'd have more internet time AND you'd be contributing money so you can buy more Brian things off eBay.

♥♥♥

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Wish I lived in California
[info]eppylover
2004-10-02 12:04 am UTC (link)
Thanks for your approval of my monopolization of your community!!! I'm starting to feel like it's mine, and it feels great. hahaha

About the JOB thing, in this area of Michigan employers are extremely stingy with their employees' time. Everybody who sits and does clerical work at a desk is constantly answering phones, and if they see you doing anything other than company work on the internet, they give you more work and/or discipline you ... and their internet is set up to block everything but what's necessary for business.
Also, damn it, I'm going to be 54 in March, and I'm tired! I've been working most of my life ... and I've had it!!! Since I've given all my "extra" income during my working years to help support my husband's 3 kids by his first marriage (while he buys a boat, power tools, fishing trips, etc. with his "extra" money) I think it's about time he supported me for a change...he's bringing in much more money now that his kids are grown, and has the energy to do a lot of high-paying side work. A counselor we visited agreed with me, much to Dale's dismay. Dale is 8 years younger than me and in much better health, but still wants to be taken care of like a kid. I've been treated for severe allergies, high blood pressure, stomach problems and dysthemia depression brought on by abuse at my office and Dale's don't-care attitude about it (although he had a fit when I changed to a different job to get away from it). The doctors diagnosed it as work stress, told me I needed a serious life change before I have a heart attack or stroke, and Dale turns around and tells me the doctors and counselors are full of shit.

I'm just waiting until Steph graduates, then I'm gone. And I think he knows it. Then I can apply for my pension, which will be enough to support me.

Sorry for venting. I'm just trying to enjoy a little bit of retirement before I go harass Brian. :)

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